Greetings,

This is my first time posting, but I do think that I have a relevant
subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed previously, please
except my apologies for not backreading.

I think that the letterboxing.org site should have a way for registered
users to write a short review of each of the letterboxes they have
found. I have been doing this letterboxing thing for a little while
now, and I have found that some of the clues are very well written,
and the hikes are great. These are the hikes I would like to recommend
them to others, while I also find some clues to be poorly written, or
that the letterbox was hidden in plain site ten feet from the road,
making the trip rather anti-climatic.

If that system doesn't sound palatable, perhaps even a "five star"
rating for each clue, so that users can rate each "lb" they find. I
feel that woud give other users a better idea if they would like to do
the trek or not, as well as give the person who placed the letterbox
feedback on whether or not people liked it, so they can improve upon
future clues and letterboxes. Maybe users could rate different
aspects, like how much they like the stamp, how well the clue was
written, how much they liked the hike, etc.

What do you think?

I think you need to go and do that "backreading." :-)

~~ Mosey ~~

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To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Reviews on the Letterboxing.org site


Greetings,

This is my first time posting, but I do think that I have a relevant
subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed previously, please
except my apologies for not backreading.............


...............What do you think?








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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Burgio"
wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> This is my first time posting, but I do think that I have a relevant
> subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed previously, please
> except my apologies for not backreading.

> What do you think?

Some thoughts reiterated countless times in the history of this talk
list:

1. It's about the journey.
2. Not every letterbox is for every person.
3. If it *ain't* broke, don't fix it.
4. Just because you didn't find it the first time
(or second, or third, etc.,...you get the picture), doesn't mean it's
not there or that the clues are poorly written.
5. There *is* a learning curve.
6. When you ask nicely and don't expect things handed to you, most
letterboxers are happy to oblige and point you in a direction where
you can learn and improve your placing, finding and artistic skills. I
urge you to join the Newboxers list. Many veteran boxers lurk there
and are happy to share.

With all due respect to what you have written, as a newcomer to
letterboxing, perhaps you'd be happier conducting your letterbox
searches and posting subsequent post-search commentary at Atlas Quest,
a most worthy letterboxing site with many more bells and whistles for
those so inclined to document and/or editorialize the *journey* beyond
the personal joy of remembrance of adventures gleaned by thumbing
through your own logbook.

Good luck.

Alafair

Welcome Kevin,

This topic has come up a lot recently and there are many people who feel the same way you do. There are also many epople who do not. I happen to be in the second group.

Letterboxing for me is about surprise, adventure, problem solving, mystery and finally, as sense of accomplishment when I actually find the box. And on the days when I don't, I just re-group and try again another time.

I love reading the comments in the log book, and for me that's enough feedback from others. I don't want their experience, good or bad, or their personal opinions about the stamp or the hike to effect my decision to hunt the box. I would have missed out on so much cool stuff otherwise if it was just about the stamp in the box.

I would hate ot see this happen. JMHO

HnH

Kevin Burgio wrote: Greetings,

This is my first time posting, but I do think that I have a relevant
subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed previously, please
except my apologies for not backreading.

I think that the letterboxing.org site should have a way for registered
users to write a short review of each of the letterboxes they have
found. I have been doing this letterboxing thing for a little while
now, and I have found that some of the clues are very well written,
and the hikes are great. These are the hikes I would like to recommend
them to others, while I also find some clues to be poorly written, or
that the letterbox was hidden in plain site ten feet from the road,
making the trip rather anti-climatic.

If that system doesn't sound palatable, perhaps even a "five star"
rating for each clue, so that users can rate each "lb" they find. I
feel that woud give other users a better idea if they would like to do
the trek or not, as well as give the person who placed the letterbox
feedback on whether or not people liked it, so they can improve upon
future clues and letterboxes. Maybe users could rate different
aspects, like how much they like the stamp, how well the clue was
written, how much they liked the hike, etc.

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Anytime you want to do that "backreading" you'll only have to go
back about a month before you find something. I think this last
popped up about then.

BTW, I'm in the camp that doesn't want reviews on the web site.

Knit Wit

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Burgio"
wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> This is my first time posting, but I do think that I have a
relevant
> subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed previously, please
> except my apologies for not backreading.
>
> I think that the letterboxing.org site should have a way for
registered
> users to write a short review of each of the letterboxes they have
> found. I have been doing this letterboxing thing for a little while
> now, and I have found that some of the clues are very well written,
> and the hikes are great. These are the hikes I would like to
recommend
> them to others, while I also find some clues to be poorly written,
or
> that the letterbox was hidden in plain site ten feet from the road,
> making the trip rather anti-climatic.
>
> If that system doesn't sound palatable, perhaps even a "five star"
> rating for each clue, so that users can rate each "lb" they find.
I
> feel that woud give other users a better idea if they would like
to do
> the trek or not, as well as give the person who placed the
letterbox
> feedback on whether or not people liked it, so they can improve
upon
> future clues and letterboxes. Maybe users could rate different
> aspects, like how much they like the stamp, how well the clue was
> written, how much they liked the hike, etc.
>
> What do you think?
>

I second that emotion, HnH!

Enjoy!

donutz716

Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:
Welcome Kevin,

This topic has come up a lot recently and there are many people who feel the same way you do. There are also many epople who do not. I happen to be in the second group.

Letterboxing for me is about surprise, adventure, problem solving, mystery and finally, as sense of accomplishment when I actually find the box. And on the days when I don't, I just re-group and try again another time.

I love reading the comments in the log book, and for me that's enough feedback from others. I don't want their experience, good or bad, or their personal opinions about the stamp or the hike to effect my decision to hunt the box. I would have missed out on so much cool stuff otherwise if it was just about the stamp in the box.

I would hate ot see this happen. JMHO

HnH

Kevin Burgio wrote: Greetings,

This is my first time posting, but I do think that I have a relevant
subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed previously, please
except my apologies for not backreading.

I think that the letterboxing.org site should have a way for registered
users to write a short review of each of the letterboxes they have
found. I have been doing this letterboxing thing for a little while
now, and I have found that some of the clues are very well written,
and the hikes are great. These are the hikes I would like to recommend
them to others, while I also find some clues to be poorly written, or
that the letterbox was hidden in plain site ten feet from the road,
making the trip rather anti-climatic.

If that system doesn't sound palatable, perhaps even a "five star"
rating for each clue, so that users can rate each "lb" they find. I
feel that woud give other users a better idea if they would like to do
the trek or not, as well as give the person who placed the letterbox
feedback on whether or not people liked it, so they can improve upon
future clues and letterboxes. Maybe users could rate different
aspects, like how much they like the stamp, how well the clue was
written, how much they liked the hike, etc.

What do you think?







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I'm in favor of optional logs (reviews):

Placers who would prefer logs could choose that option for their clue page.
The default for a clue page would be no logs. Those placers who want it would activate the log feature.

It would be great comfort if placers could have control of the logs i.e. given the option to delete or encrypt spoilers.
Finders who do not want the adventure spoiled by logs would be advised not to read the logs.
If all logs appear encrypted and in order to read them one must click on the decrypt link, then finders who don't want to read the logs won't inadvertently see them.


Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote: Welcome Kevin,

This topic has come up a lot recently and there are many people who feel the same way you do. There are also many epople who do not. I happen to be in the second group.

Letterboxing for me is about surprise, adventure, problem solving, mystery and finally, as sense of accomplishment when I actually find the box. And on the days when I don't, I just re-group and try again another time.

I love reading the comments in the log book, and for me that's enough feedback from others. I don't want their experience, good or bad, or their personal opinions about the stamp or the hike to effect my decision to hunt the box. I would have missed out on so much cool stuff otherwise if it was just about the stamp in the box.

I would hate ot see this happen. JMHO

HnH

Kevin Burgio wrote: Greetings,

This is my first time posting, but I do think that I have a relevant
subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed previously, please
except my apologies for not backreading.

I think that the letterboxing.org site should have a way for registered
users to write a short review of each of the letterboxes they have
found. I have been doing this letterboxing thing for a little while
now, and I have found that some of the clues are very well written,
and the hikes are great. These are the hikes I would like to recommend
them to others, while I also find some clues to be poorly written, or
that the letterbox was hidden in plain site ten feet from the road,
making the trip rather anti-climatic.

If that system doesn't sound palatable, perhaps even a "five star"
rating for each clue, so that users can rate each "lb" they find. I
feel that woud give other users a better idea if they would like to do
the trek or not, as well as give the person who placed the letterbox
feedback on whether or not people liked it, so they can improve upon
future clues and letterboxes. Maybe users could rate different
aspects, like how much they like the stamp, how well the clue was
written, how much they liked the hike, etc.

What do you think?


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I've read the other responses to this post and just
want to add my 2 cents. I'm with HnH for starters. A
few other points- what's a good stamp? What's a good
hike? Boxing is very subjective. I really don't want
my boxes to be judged in that way. As for feed back
about specific boxes join your local talk list. Get to
know the other local boxers. You will learn after
awhile you'll like certain placers styles. I know when
I go for a Hikers and Hounds box I'll get a great
stamp, when I go for a Lighing Bug box I'll get a head
ache solving the clues(Just kidding) I could go on.
Over the years I've come to know these people on a
personal level which only adds to boxings apeal. Some
of your ideas sound a little like geocaching to me,
that suject is another can of worms!

--- Kevin Burgio wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> This is my first time posting, but I do think that I
> have a relevant
> subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed
> previously, please
> except my apologies for not backreading.
>
> I think that the letterboxing.org site should have a
> way for registered
> users to write a short review of each of the
> letterboxes they have
> found. I have been doing this letterboxing thing for
> a little while
> now, and I have found that some of the clues are
> very well written,
> and the hikes are great. These are the hikes I would
> like to recommend
> them to others, while I also find some clues to be
> poorly written, or
> that the letterbox was hidden in plain site ten feet
> from the road,
> making the trip rather anti-climatic.
>
> If that system doesn't sound palatable, perhaps even
> a "five star"
> rating for each clue, so that users can rate each
> "lb" they find. I
> feel that woud give other users a better idea if
> they would like to do
> the trek or not, as well as give the person who
> placed the letterbox
> feedback on whether or not people liked it, so they
> can improve upon
> future clues and letterboxes. Maybe users could
> rate different
> aspects, like how much they like the stamp, how well
> the clue was
> written, how much they liked the hike, etc.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>


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Well, I had no idea that this subject was such a hot button around the
community. I personally do not think that snippy remarks are really
necessary, to be honest. I already said that I did not do any
backreading, but honestly, there are thousands of posts on this
community. I think it is a bit much to expect someone to read through
them all.

Being ex-military, I would say that I am rather adept at using a
compass and backpacking. I would also like to note that I have found
all of the boxes that I have set out to find, but that is not my point.

My point is this... If you don't want to read the reviews that would
be posted on the site, I am sure there is a way to code it, so that
you didn't have to read it. No one would force you. If a lot of
people have brought this up before, obviously there is a demand for it.

Perhaps some people think that reviews might make their own
experiences more enjoyable.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> I'm in favor of optional logs (reviews):
>
> Placers who would prefer logs could choose that option for
their clue page.
> The default for a clue page would be no logs. Those placers who
want it would activate the log feature.
>
> It would be great comfort if placers could have control of the
logs i.e. given the option to delete or encrypt spoilers.
> Finders who do not want the adventure spoiled by logs would be
advised not to read the logs.
> If all logs appear encrypted and in order to read them one must
click on the decrypt link, then finders who don't want to read the
logs won't inadvertently see them.
>

You already have the capability to have this on your clues!
Once you receive input from a finder(contact the placer) all you
have to do is copy and paste that info onto your clue sheet via the
edit function. You can have all of the logs you wish, just set it up
yourself instead of continuosly beating this drum.

I realize some finders want every little bit of info they can glean,
but most placers don't want these bells and whistles. If that is
what you want then just do it as you have control now.
I believe there would be more placers that would pull their clues
and go to an underground site if a logging function were to be
implimented for every clue sheet.

Don, who is considering carrying a shovel.

I beg to differ with folks on this. I don't favor the 'online
comments' regarding letterboxes on LBNA. Odd--because I do allow the
comments on my own personal clue site...but I regularly monitor (I mena
daily here for a couple hundred letterboxes) and purge the comments of
any notes that might reveal the 'mysterious' aspects of the hunt itself
for the boxes we've planted. I put a lot of effort into crafting clues
that possess a certain level of mystique. In one fell swoop folks can
comment to the clues and instantly negate all the work that was put
into it to ensure they were mystery boxes or at least boxes that had
clues that required 'some' level of mental diligence to solve.

Also, I get lots of false missing reports. I'm also responsible for my
own share of false missing reports to other letterbox planters (I'm
sure I just filed 3 of them this past weekend alone due to operator
head, space & timing issues!!!). I'm sure most of us are guilty of
that. But--in the past month we have personally found 3 letterboxes
that were 'officially' listed as missing and they were indeed in the
very spot where the clues suggested they were. The owners
had 'pulled/retired' the clues because of false missing reports they'd
received over time. The only reason we even looked for those boxes was
because we still had a set of clues in a clue binder we'd assembled a
couple of years ago, had no idea they were 'considered' missing and
just happened to have the notebook lying in the car on our trip. These
are some of the risks folks face when they incorporate the online box
status/clue comment section on the website. I'm sure there are
hundreds of other 'abandoned' letterboxes across this fruitful plain
that fall into this category because of myriad false missing reports.
Just a different take on the matter. No hurt feelings intended just
lessons learned from the school of letterboxing hard knocks. daelphinus

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Burgio"
wrote:
> My point is this... If you don't want to read the reviews that would
> be posted on the site, I am sure there is a way to code it, so that
> you didn't have to read it. No one would force you. If a lot of
> people have brought this up before, obviously there is a demand for
it.
>
> Perhaps some people think that reviews might make their own
> experiences more enjoyable.
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
> You already have the capability to have this on your clues!
> Once you receive input from a finder(contact the placer) all you
> have to do is copy and paste that info onto your clue sheet via the
> edit function. You can have all of the logs you wish, just set it up
> yourself instead of continuosly beating this drum.

It would be better if finders had the option to log their own comments
if they choose to do so.

Here's what Mosey said in a previous post and makes a good point:

Message 54565
"This would probably keep me from contacting a placer. If I send a
private note to a placer commenting about a box, I don't want it to
end up on a website without my permission. And even if I send
something to the local discussion group, that doesn't mean I want it
going anyplace else without my permission."

>
> I realize some finders want every little bit of info they can glean,
> but most placers don't want these bells and whistles. If that is
> what you want then just do it as you have control now.
> I believe there would be more placers that would pull their clues
> and go to an underground site if a logging function were to be
> implimented for every clue sheet.

I'm not suggesting that logging function be implemented on every clue
sheet. I'm asking for an option. Some of us placers enjoy feedback and
would like that function on their personal clue page. I'm all in favor
of placers not using a logging feature. Each to his own.

Feedback inspires me to hide more letterboxes. Feedback also helps me
tweak the clues to make it a more enjoyable experience for the finder.

I'm unclear why you would not want finders to have the ability to post
their own comments to my clue page without me having to act as a
go-between.

JARS

gwendontoo wrote: You already have the capability to have this on your clues!
Once you receive input from a finder(contact the placer) all you
have to do is copy and paste that info onto your clue sheet via the
edit function. You can have all of the logs you wish, just set it up
yourself instead of continuosly beating this drum.


It would be better if finders had the option to log their own comments if
they choose to do so.

Here's what Mosey said in a previous post and makes a good point:

"This would probably keep me from contacting a placer. If I send a private
note to a placer commenting about a box, I don't want it to end up on a
website without my permission. And even if I send something to the local
discussion group, that doesn't mean I want it going anyplace else without my
permission."

I realize some finders want every little bit of info they can glean,
but most placers don't want these bells and whistles. If that is
what you want then just do it as you have control now.
I believe there would be more placers that would pull their clues
and go to an underground site if a logging function were to be
implimented for every clue sheet.

Don, who is considering carrying a shovel.







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Um, Jars? You need to reread my post for what I actually said during that
discussion.

I said that I wouldn't approve of it without my permission. You had made a
previous post that rather implied to me that you might take comments sent to
you and just post them in your clues without first checking with the person
who had written the comment. *That's* what I object to. You'll notice that
twice in my comments I state I wouldn't want my comments ending up on a
website someplace *without my permission* and that if I found out that a
person was likely to do that, then I just wouldn't contact them about any of
their boxes.

I realize that anything anyone says can end up anyplace anytime on the
internet. That doesn't mean that I consider it ethical behavior however.
And I wouldn't contribute to it if I knew it was happening in what I
considered an unethical manner.

~~ Mosey ~~
http://freewebs.com/moseyingalong/

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Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 9:31 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Reviews on the Letterboxing.org site



gwendontoo wrote: You already have the
capability to have this on your clues!
Once you receive input from a finder(contact the placer) all you
have to do is copy and paste that info onto your clue sheet via the
edit function. You can have all of the logs you wish, just set it up
yourself instead of continuosly beating this drum.


It would be better if finders had the option to log their own comments if
they choose to do so.

Here's what Mosey said in a previous post and makes a good point:

"This would probably keep me from contacting a placer. If I send a private
note to a placer commenting about a box, I don't want it to end up on a
website without my permission. And even if I send something to the local
discussion group, that doesn't mean I want it going anyplace else without my
permission."

I realize some finders want every little bit of info they can glean,
but most placers don't want these bells and whistles. If that is
what you want then just do it as you have control now.
I believe there would be more placers that would pull their clues
and go to an underground site if a logging function were to be
implimented for every clue sheet.

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1. You stated that you didn't do *any* backreading.
2. Then you say it's a bit much to expect someone to read thru *all* the old
posts.

Try reading back just a month or two and get a feel for the group.

If you're new to letterboxing, join the newboxers list. And, as was
suggested, join the regional list from whatever area of the country you're
in. As you get to know fellow local boxers, you'll have more opportunity to
compare notes in a discussion-type environment where there can maybe be some
give and take as to the "rating" a box should have, if critiquing is what
floats your boat *and* if it floats boats on whatever regional list you
join.

All that having more and more of such features on LbNA will mean is that
more and more boxers will steer clear of LbNA with their clues, as is
already beginning to happen.

The point isn't whether or not you're capable of backpacking and using a
compass. The point is -- who are *you* as an individual to rate anybody
else's box? There might be a box that you deem "unworthy" that somebody
else might have done the best they possibly could working on it. Or it
might be designed for a family with young children or one that handicapped
individuals would relish that you, with all your military expertise, will
find utterly boring. (This discussion is beginning to feel very
familiar.....)

Find enough boxes to give you a solid idea of what it's all about. Then
start carving your own stamps, writing your own clues, and placing your own
boxes. Do what *you* want to do with *your* boxes and maybe folks who like
them will use them as an example and follow suit. And maybe you'll start to
realize that letterboxing is an art form rather than a canvassing or polling
activity.

For a placer who feels the feedback is necessary to "tweak" their boxes, why
not merely place a note in the clues encouraging people to send you
feedback? It seems to me that if this was the main reason a placer wanted
feedback, then asking for feedback in the clues would suffice. Public
posting of positive feedback in many cases seems more like an ego trip to
me. There's something to be said for humility.

~~ Mosey ~~
(http://freewebs.com/moseyingalong)


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Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:44 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Reviews on the Letterboxing.org site


Well, I had no idea that this subject was such a hot button around the
community. I personally do not think that snippy remarks are really
necessary, to be honest. I already said that I did not do any
backreading, but honestly, there are thousands of posts on this
community. I think it is a bit much to expect someone to read through
them all.

Being ex-military, I would say that I am rather adept at using a
compass and backpacking. I would also like to note that I have found
all of the boxes that I have set out to find, but that is not my point.

My point is this... If you don't want to read the reviews that would
be posted on the site, I am sure there is a way to code it, so that
you didn't have to read it. No one would force you. If a lot of
people have brought this up before, obviously there is a demand for it.

Perhaps some people think that reviews might make their own
experiences more enjoyable.






Yahoo! Groups Links

I don't like this idea, (no offense) but I think comments or ratings
would take away from the mystery of the search. Some are good some
aren't so good, but I'm willing to take my chances.
Goose Chaser

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Burgio"
wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> This is my first time posting, but I do think that I have a
relevant
> subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed previously, please
> except my apologies for not backreading.
>
> I think that the letterboxing.org site should have a way for
registered
> users to write a short review of each of the letterboxes they have
> found. I have been doing this letterboxing thing for a little while
> now, and I have found that some of the clues are very well written,
> and the hikes are great. These are the hikes I would like to
recommend
> them to others, while I also find some clues to be poorly written,
or
> that the letterbox was hidden in plain site ten feet from the road,
> making the trip rather anti-climatic.
>
> If that system doesn't sound palatable, perhaps even a "five star"
> rating for each clue, so that users can rate each "lb" they find.
I
> feel that woud give other users a better idea if they would like
to do
> the trek or not, as well as give the person who placed the
letterbox
> feedback on whether or not people liked it, so they can improve
upon
> future clues and letterboxes. Maybe users could rate different
> aspects, like how much they like the stamp, how well the clue was
> written, how much they liked the hike, etc.
>
> What do you think?
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "ontario_cacher"
wrote:
> I'm not suggesting that logging function be implemented
> on every clue sheet. I'm asking for an option. Some of
> us placers enjoy feedback and would like that function
> on their personal clue page. I'm all in favor of placers
> not using a logging feature. Each to his own.
>
> Feedback inspires me to hide more letterboxes. Feedback
> also helps me tweak the clues to make it a more enjoyable
> experience for the finder.
>
> I'm unclear why you would not want finders to have the
> ability to post their own comments to my clue page without
> me having to act as a go-between.
>
The LbNA website already provides the option to provide feedback to a
planter. All a finder needs to do is click on contact the placer and
send a note. While it is true that this does not then appear
publically on the clue page, if indeed your desire is simply for
feedback to assist you with writing better clues and motivate you to
plant future boxes, you should be able to get this from user feedback
whether it is public or private. I'm unclear why you feel this
feedback should be made public.

I don't think it is so much a matter of not wanting finders to have
the ability to post their comments on your boxes. They are your
boxes, you can do as you wish with them. Rather it is that the
opposition is toward configuring the common website to serve this
purpose. If you want to implement a logging feature, there are ways
that you can set this up yourself on your own website. Granted, that
may require effort on your part, but it simply is not something that
enough people consider to be fundamental to the philosophy of
letterboxing to make it part of letterboxing.org.

Most of us are content with the current option provided for user
feedback -- contact the placer.

SpringChick

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "jojoma22" wrote:
>
> I don't like this idea, (no offense) but I think comments or ratings
> would take away from the mystery of the search. Some are good some
> aren't so good, but I'm willing to take my chances.

Exactly! And that is the essence of letterboxing!

SpringChick

Yes, this topic is a hot button, as well as certain
others. As for snippy comments, it's the old no face
on the e-mail thing, computers don't have expression
or tone of voice. When you post on this list you have
to have a thick skin and not take things personaly,
the local lists are a bit more warm an fuzzy. The LBNA
site is a clue data base, many of the options you
speak of can be found on other sites, don't ask me
which ones I'm a Luddite at heart. I love feed back on
my boxes and always answer anyone who uses the contact
the placer option.

--- Kevin Burgio wrote:

> Well, I had no idea that this subject was such a hot
> button around the
> community. I personally do not think that snippy
> remarks are really
> necessary, to be honest. I already said that I did
> not do any
> backreading, but honestly, there are thousands of
> posts on this
> community. I think it is a bit much to expect
> someone to read through
> them all.
>
> Being ex-military, I would say that I am rather
> adept at using a
> compass and backpacking. I would also like to note
> that I have found
> all of the boxes that I have set out to find, but
> that is not my point.
>
> My point is this... If you don't want to read the
> reviews that would
> be posted on the site, I am sure there is a way to
> code it, so that
> you didn't have to read it. No one would force you.
> If a lot of
> people have brought this up before, obviously there
> is a demand for it.
>
> Perhaps some people think that reviews might make
> their own
> experiences more enjoyable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>


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1.) I don't see where anyone has been snippy or rude in their
remarks. In fact, I think everyone has been pretty darned cordial
considering this has been brought up and discussed for years.
Perhaps you are reading too much into them or perhaps you're having a
sensitive sort or day? :o)

2.)Asking newbies to read up on the history of something in any
sport/hobby that is new to them is a given, so that suggestion isn't
too far fetched. Being ex-military yourself, I'm sure you didn't go
into boot camp and tell the DI what you thought about how the
military should do things?

3.) You've found all the boxes you've set out to find? Great!

What happens when you get to a box after a long day of hiking and
it's not there or you can't figure out where it is?

Will you still enjoy the hike, the day, the company? If so, you're
in the right place!

If not, perhaps you'd like geocacaching where you're always
guaranteed something tangible at the end of your hike? Check out
www.geocaching.com for the game that gives you reviews and promises
something at the end of your search.

4.)If you're still interested in learning more about letterboxing-
check out the chat list for those starting out in letterboxing. No
question there is a dumb question and the group is a great place to
learn.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newboxers/

Good luck and happy boxing!



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Burgio"
wrote:
>
> Well, I had no idea that this subject was such a hot button around
the community. I personally do not think that snippy remarks are
really necessary, to be honest. I already said that I did not do any
> backreading, but honestly, there are thousands of posts on this
> community. I think it is a bit much to expect someone to read
through
> them all.
>
> Being ex-military, I would say that I am rather adept at using a
> compass and backpacking. I would also like to note that I have
found
> all of the boxes that I have set out to find, but that is not my
point.

Agreed about the permission thing. I can see how someone would feel upset if their personal comments were cut and pasted somewhere else without permission. I think it could also be awkward for the person who sent a personal note to be asked for permission to post it publicly.

It should be in the hands of the finder about whether they want to post an online public log or just send a personal note or of course, not to send a note either publicly or privately.

JARS

xxxx wrote: Um, Jars? You need to reread my post for what I actually said during that
discussion.

I said that I wouldn't approve of it without my permission. You had made a
previous post that rather implied to me that you might take comments sent to
you and just post them in your clues without first checking with the person
who had written the comment. *That's* what I object to. You'll notice that
twice in my comments I state I wouldn't want my comments ending up on a
website someplace *without my permission* and that if I found out that a
person was likely to do that, then I just wouldn't contact them about any of
their boxes.

I realize that anything anyone says can end up anyplace anytime on the
internet. That doesn't mean that I consider it ethical behavior however.
And I wouldn't contribute to it if I knew it was happening in what I
considered an unethical manner.

~~ Mosey ~~
http://freewebs.com/moseyingalong/

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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of J A R S
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 9:31 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Reviews on the Letterboxing.org site



gwendontoo wrote: You already have the
capability to have this on your clues!
Once you receive input from a finder(contact the placer) all you
have to do is copy and paste that info onto your clue sheet via the
edit function. You can have all of the logs you wish, just set it up
yourself instead of continuosly beating this drum.


It would be better if finders had the option to log their own comments if
they choose to do so.

Here's what Mosey said in a previous post and makes a good point:

"This would probably keep me from contacting a placer. If I send a private
note to a placer commenting about a box, I don't want it to end up on a
website without my permission. And even if I send something to the local
discussion group, that doesn't mean I want it going anyplace else without my
permission."

I realize some finders want every little bit of info they can glean,
but most placers don't want these bells and whistles. If that is
what you want then just do it as you have control now.
I believe there would be more placers that would pull their clues
and go to an underground site if a logging function were to be
implimented for every clue sheet.

Don, who is considering carrying a shovel.



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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "SpringChick" wrote:
>
> I'm unclear why you feel this
> feedback should be made public.

To encourage folks to visit my letterboxes. To make the experience of
the finder a better one.

JARS

>
> I'm unclear why you would not want finders to have the ability to
post
> their own comments to my clue page without me having to act as a
> go-between.
>
> JARS
>

For two reasons!

#1 You can control it.

#2 You can do the work rather than asking the Webmasters to create
something that only a very small minority have asked for.

You have come into the letterboxing community from Geocaching and
after your arrival here have wanted to change the concepts of
Letterboxing into similar concepts that the Geocaching site uses.

This is not Geocaching!!!!!!

By now I think that that should be abundantly clear.

Whenever this topic comes up there is a sizable difference between
those that like your ideas and those that do not. There is nothing
wrong with posting the next great idea or concept, but this one has
been hashed and rehashed way too many times and you do not seem to
be gaining any converts. Why not just let it go. You certainly can
create your own type of site or play the game the way many of us do.
We aren't asking you to stay why ask us to change?
I realize that might come across very harsh but if you look at it
from a different perspective your requests come across just as harsh
to many of us. We do not want the change.
Obviously there is something that attracts you to letterboxing. Why
not enjoy 'that something' and let this idea just go.

Don, starting to dig with that shovel

Hi Kevin,
Personally I wouldn't care for a rating system on letterboxing.org
because obviously with thousands of people you get a thousand
different reactions & opinions on everything.
I agree that joining your regional chat list would be benifical. I
also would suggest something like a blog or heck even a livejournal
for your comments. Then when people stumble across YOUR page with
YOUR opinions on how the hike was or how well carved the stamp may
be then they can't really complain.

I hope this didn't come off too rudely, as that was certainly not my
intent.

Get out there & box!
Littlemonkey
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Burgio"
wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> This is my first time posting, but I do think that I have a
relevant
> subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed previously, please
> except my apologies for not backreading.
>
> I think that the letterboxing.org site should have a way for
registered
> users to write a short review of each of the letterboxes they have
> found. I have been doing this letterboxing thing for a little while
> now, and I have found that some of the clues are very well written,
> and the hikes are great. These are the hikes I would like to
recommend
> them to others, while I also find some clues to be poorly written,
or
> that the letterbox was hidden in plain site ten feet from the road,
> making the trip rather anti-climatic.
>
> If that system doesn't sound palatable, perhaps even a "five star"
> rating for each clue, so that users can rate each "lb" they find.
I
> feel that woud give other users a better idea if they would like
to do
> the trek or not, as well as give the person who placed the
letterbox
> feedback on whether or not people liked it, so they can improve
upon
> future clues and letterboxes. Maybe users could rate different
> aspects, like how much they like the stamp, how well the clue was
> written, how much they liked the hike, etc.
>
> What do you think?
>

Hated the commentary idea in 2001, hated it in 2002, hated it in 2003,
hated it in 2004, hated it 2001. Still hate it... Funhog

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rebekah"
wrote:
> Personally I wouldn't care for a rating system on letterboxing.org

As I don the asbestos underwear...

Perhaps there is an alternative perspective. Recall that a couple of
weeks ago there was a rather degenerative flame war sprung out of the
owner of geocaching.com putting together a letterboxing site
[letterboxer.com or some such]. Consider that this site will
probably have all the feedback bells and whistles that the
geocacher/letterboxer person could want. Basically, geocaching.com
for letterboxers. The group that wants letterboxing.org to change
has the sort of site that they desire, and they could choose to
populate it with their clues and such. Letterboxing.org would remain
as it, to the satisfaction of the vast majority of letterboxers who
actually do like things just the way they are.

On a personal note, I would probably not populate such a site with my
box clues, but there does appear to be a group of people who would.
They are happy, I am happy. Nobody necessarily needs to change.

Please do interpret this as an endorsement for this sort of site, as
it is not. It is merely an attempt at illustrating a perspective
that could bring about a solution for those who desire the feedback
mechanism.

LB


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm unclear why you would not want finders to have the ability to
> post
> > their own comments to my clue page without me having to act as a
> > go-between.
> >
> > JARS
> >
>
> For two reasons!
>
> #1 You can control it.
>
> #2 You can do the work rather than asking the Webmasters to create
> something that only a very small minority have asked for.
>
> You have come into the letterboxing community from Geocaching and
> after your arrival here have wanted to change the concepts of
> Letterboxing into similar concepts that the Geocaching site uses.
>
> This is not Geocaching!!!!!!
>
> By now I think that that should be abundantly clear.
>
> Whenever this topic comes up there is a sizable difference between
> those that like your ideas and those that do not. There is nothing
> wrong with posting the next great idea or concept, but this one has
> been hashed and rehashed way too many times and you do not seem to
> be gaining any converts. Why not just let it go. You certainly can
> create your own type of site or play the game the way many of us
do.
> We aren't asking you to stay why ask us to change?
> I realize that might come across very harsh but if you look at it
> from a different perspective your requests come across just as
harsh
> to many of us. We do not want the change.
> Obviously there is something that attracts you to letterboxing. Why
> not enjoy 'that something' and let this idea just go.
>
> Don, starting to dig with that shovel
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
>
> You have come into the letterboxing community from Geocaching and
> after your arrival here have wanted to change the concepts of
> Letterboxing into similar concepts that the Geocaching site uses.

I knew about letterboxing when the Smithsonian article came out in
1998. I was reading the LBNA yahoo group and visiting the website
years before I heard about geocaching, hoping that some letterboxing
activity would show up in my area. I just haven't started posting to
the yahoo discussion group under my trail name until last year. I'm
not new to letterboxing , I've seen the history develop.
I've been hiding letterboxes since 2002. I remember the LBNA site back
when you had to post the clues to the group and have the webmasters
put it in the database.

> You certainly can
> create your own type of site or play the game the way many of us do.

That's not so easy to do. You need good web skills to create a site
like LBNA, AQ and GC.com (php, sql). But it requires only a basic
understanding of html or no html knowledge at all to play the games
bare bones, i.e. WOM.

> We aren't asking you to stay why ask us to change?

I'm not asking you to change. You can play the game bare bones if you
like.

JARS

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Lightnin Bug"
wrote:
>
> As I don the asbestos underwear...
>
> Perhaps there is an alternative perspective. Recall that a couple
of
> weeks ago there was a rather degenerative flame war sprung out of
the
> owner of geocaching.com putting together a letterboxing site
> [letterboxer.com or some such]. Consider that this site will
> probably have all the feedback bells and whistles that the
> geocacher/letterboxer person could want. Basically,
geocaching.com
> for letterboxers. The group that wants letterboxing.org to change
> has the sort of site that they desire, and they could choose to
> populate it with their clues and such. Letterboxing.org would
remain
> as it, to the satisfaction of the vast majority of letterboxers
who
> actually do like things just the way they are.
>


LB
Nicely put. If you want those logging clue pages then the
Geocache/Letterbox site should suit you to a tee.

Don or don

>
> > We aren't asking you to stay why ask us to change?
>
> I'm not asking you to change. You can play the game bare bones if
you
> like.
>
> JARS
>
Jars
For the sake of clarity and truth please acknowledge that you would
like the LbNA site changed. You presently have 57 letterboxes listed
on LbNA and of that figure 24 of them are vituals. What you are
asking is that the functions on the site be changed for you. I
haven't bothered to figure out the exact percentage of the total on
LbNA that your number comes to but it is really a pretty small part
of the 20,000 + letterboxes listed. This site isn't about you, nor
is about any one personality. It is a pretty well functioning site
considering that it is free and available to everyone. I reiterate
if you want to use the edit function as a Placer it is available and
since you know how to post clues, edit your clues then you can post
whatever info you wish on your clue sheets. Do your own work rather
than casting off to someone else. If you wish to continue this
discussion please send me communication directly as I'm sure some
folks are really getting bored with this.

Don

Kevin,

For what it's worth, this type of thing happens several times every
year. A person starts letterboxing and as they explore/learn about
the hobby, they share ideas they believe could make letterboxing
better. Bam, down comes the hammer. If some of the posts make you
feel like a heretic, don't sweat it. It happens all the time. The LB
community at times can be a bit resistant to change and newcomers.
Just keep boxing and watching the posts. In time you'll see throught
the chaff and sort out how you'll letterbox.

Here's some of the "hot topics" you'll see in the coming months:

1. Geocaching is ruining letterboxing
2. There should be a test for newbies before they can plant boxes
3. Let's make the official rules of letterboxing
4. I'm sick of what's become of LB, I'm taking my clues offline for friends only
5. White stuff vs. Pink stuff
6. Drive by boxes aren't letterboxing
7. How and what should be counted
8. The classic...South Carolina legislation against LBing.
9. Planting in National Parks
10. I'm quiting the group because it's gotten so hostile.

In the end there is no official way to letterbox. You do it as you
do. As long as you're respectful of others, the environment and the
boxes themselves, the rest is just noise.


On 4/3/06, gwendontoo wrote:
>
> >
> > > We aren't asking you to stay why ask us to change?
> >
> > I'm not asking you to change. You can play the game bare bones if
> you
> > like.
> >
> > JARS
> >
> Jars
> For the sake of clarity and truth please acknowledge that you would
> like the LbNA site changed. You presently have 57 letterboxes listed
> on LbNA and of that figure 24 of them are vituals. What you are
> asking is that the functions on the site be changed for you. I
> haven't bothered to figure out the exact percentage of the total on
> LbNA that your number comes to but it is really a pretty small part
> of the 20,000 + letterboxes listed. This site isn't about you, nor
> is about any one personality. It is a pretty well functioning site
> considering that it is free and available to everyone. I reiterate
> if you want to use the edit function as a Placer it is available and
> since you know how to post clues, edit your clues then you can post
> whatever info you wish on your clue sheets. Do your own work rather
> than casting off to someone else. If you wish to continue this
> discussion please send me communication directly as I'm sure some
> folks are really getting bored with this.
>
> Don
>
>
>
> >
> > > We aren't asking you to stay why ask us to change?
> >
> > I'm not asking you to change. You can play the game bare bones if
> you
> > like.
> >
> > JARS
> >
> Jars
> For the sake of clarity and truth please acknowledge that you would
> like the LbNA site changed. You presently have 57 letterboxes listed
> on LbNA and of that figure 24 of them are vituals. What you are
> asking is that the functions on the site be changed for you. I
> haven't bothered to figure out the exact percentage of the total on
> LbNA that your number comes to but it is really a pretty small part
> of the 20,000 + letterboxes listed. This site isn't about you, nor
> is about any one personality. It is a pretty well functioning site
> considering that it is free and available to everyone. I reiterate
> if you want to use the edit function as a Placer it is available and
> since you know how to post clues, edit your clues then you can post
> whatever info you wish on your clue sheets. Do your own work rather
> than casting off to someone else. If you wish to continue this
> discussion please send me communication directly as I'm sure some
> folks are really getting bored with this.
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
> >
> > > We aren't asking you to stay why ask us to change?
> >
> > I'm not asking you to change. You can play the game bare bones if
> you
> > like.
> >
> > JARS
> >
> Jars
> For the sake of clarity and truth please acknowledge that you would
> like the LbNA site changed. You presently have 57 letterboxes listed
> on LbNA and of that figure 24 of them are vituals. What you are
> asking is that the functions on the site be changed for you. I
> haven't bothered to figure out the exact percentage of the total on
> LbNA that your number comes to but it is really a pretty small part
> of the 20,000 + letterboxes listed. This site isn't about you, nor
> is about any one personality. It is a pretty well functioning site
> considering that it is free and available to everyone. I reiterate
> if you want to use the edit function as a Placer it is available and
> since you know how to post clues, edit your clues then you can post
> whatever info you wish on your clue sheets. Do your own work rather
> than casting off to someone else. If you wish to continue this
> discussion please send me communication directly as I'm sure some
> folks are really getting bored with this.
>
> Don
>

Sorry Don, I'm sure people are getting bored and are probably hitting
the delete key by now but since you didn't send this message to me
personally and rather chose a public forum, I will reply publicly.

You seem bothered by my lack of real boxes on the site (33) and by the
number of virtuals (24). The virtuals were placed on the LBNA site by
the request of 2 other letterboxers who wanted to record them here. I
like to be accomodating to finders if I can be.

I did a check to see how many you have placed on the site. I found
that gwendontoo is not on the LBNA list of placers.

JARS

>
> I did a check to see how many you have placed on the site. I found
> that gwendontoo is not on the LBNA list of placers.
>
> JARS
>
You are absolutely correct Jars gwendontoo has never placed a box
under that name.
Anyone reading shouldn't help out now, jars can figure it out on his
own.

Don

Don and Gwen are two of the most prolific placers of letterboxes on
the West Coast. They have 169 boxes listed on LbNA at this time. Not
only that, Don is a gifted carver and great supporter of the
letterboxing community. He certainly has earned my respect and I
always listen to what he has to say, whether I agree with him or not.
Funhog

> > Don
> I did a check to see how many you have placed on the site. I found
> that gwendontoo is not on the LBNA list of placers.
>
> JARS
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "funhog1" wrote:

Thanks Funhog

I was kinda hoping that this would go off list as that was how I sent
my response.

You mean the Hog has the audacity to really disagree with little ol me?
Say it isn't so.

Don



>
> Don and Gwen are two of the most prolific placers of letterboxes on
> the West Coast. They have 169 boxes listed on LbNA at this time. Not
> only that, Don is a gifted carver and great supporter of the
> letterboxing community. He certainly has earned my respect and I
> always listen to what he has to say, whether I agree with him or not.
> Funhog
>
> > > Don
> > I did a check to see how many you have placed on the site. I found
> > that gwendontoo is not on the LBNA list of placers.
> >
> > JARS
> >
>

Don is a wonderful inspiration to the new boxers on our Newboxers list.
He's always willing to help, offer advice from his many years of experience and is someone whom we respect and are proud to call a friend.

Mark

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From: "funhog1"
Don and Gwen are two of the most prolific placers of letterboxes on
the West Coast. He certainly has earned my respect and I
always listen to what he has to say, whether I agree with him or not.
Funhog

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I have grown weary of this so I propose a poll to end it and created
one to that end.

There are 2800+ members on LbNA. You really think there will be enough
responses to show a majority vote? This would be interesting...........if
it wasn't already so boring..... :-)

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lady Hydrangea
Prisspott nee Hedge
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 5:08 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Reviews on the Letterboxing.org site


I have grown weary of this so I propose a poll to end it and created
one to that end.

If I'm not mistaken - the majority would be calculated by the number of votes. If there were 900 votes, then the majority would be calculated by using 900. Right?

Yes, I believe that the poll will reflect the feelings of the group by a landslide.

Enjoy!
donutz716

xxxx wrote:
There are 2800+ members on LbNA. You really think there will be enough
responses to show a majority vote? This would be interesting...........if
it wasn't already so boring..... :-)

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lady Hydrangea
Prisspott nee Hedge
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 5:08 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Reviews on the Letterboxing.org site


I have grown weary of this so I propose a poll to end it and created
one to that end.









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> You mean the Hog has the audacity to really disagree with little
> ol me? Say it isn't so.

*hehe* Well, I do too.... I think you encourage way too many people to
run around in the woods packing heat, but hey, what do I care? As long
as they don't shoot me, I don't really care. =)

-- Ryan

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "ontario_cacher"
wrote:
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "SpringChick" wrote:
> >
> > I'm unclear why you feel this
> > feedback should be made public.
>
> To encourage folks to visit my letterboxes. To make the experience of
> the finder a better one.
>
> JARS
>

I don't know. I think your reputation as a placer is all the
encouragement one should need.

I'm curious, though. Why not go over to Atlas Quest and list your
boxes over there? Maybe you have, I don't know your placer name on
LB.org.

Secondly, if this site did implement an optional logging mechanism
would you be back hounding those who have it turned off? If not, then
what's the point? To make every site function exactly the same?

I don't get it.

Amen

--- jojoma22 wrote:

> I don't like this idea, (no offense) but I think
> comments or ratings
> would take away from the mystery of the search.
> Some are good some
> aren't so good, but I'm willing to take my chances.
>
> Goose Chaser
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Burgio"
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > This is my first time posting, but I do think that
> I have a
> relevant
> > subject to discuss, and if it has been discussed
> previously, please
> > except my apologies for not backreading.
> >
> > I think that the letterboxing.org site should have
> a way for
> registered
> > users to write a short review of each of the
> letterboxes they have
> > found. I have been doing this letterboxing thing
> for a little while
> > now, and I have found that some of the clues are
> very well written,
> > and the hikes are great. These are the hikes I
> would like to
> recommend
> > them to others, while I also find some clues to be
> poorly written,
> or
> > that the letterbox was hidden in plain site ten
> feet from the road,
> > making the trip rather anti-climatic.
> >
> > If that system doesn't sound palatable, perhaps
> even a "five star"
> > rating for each clue, so that users can rate each
> "lb" they find.
> I
> > feel that woud give other users a better idea if
> they would like
> to do
> > the trek or not, as well as give the person who
> placed the
> letterbox
> > feedback on whether or not people liked it, so
> they can improve
> upon
> > future clues and letterboxes. Maybe users could
> rate different
> > aspects, like how much they like the stamp, how
> well the clue was
> > written, how much they liked the hike, etc.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
>
>
>
>
>


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From: Jim fletcher jimfletcher1938@yahoo.com

Amen

--- jojoma22 wrote:

> I don't like this idea, (no offense) but I think
> comments or ratings
> would take away from the mystery of the search.
> Some are good some
> aren't so good, but I'm willing to take my chances.
>
> Goose Chaser
>

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